But I ask, do you agree or disagree with those quotes I posted last night?
But I ask, do you agree or disagree with those quotes I posted last night?
like i said, WHEN we have the clean coal burning technology then yes, tax the absolute and utter dog fuck out of anyone that doesnt conform to those standards, but taxing people because they cant afford a new technology or a technology hasnt been developed yet is a bad idea and would absolutely have killed coal mining. Beyond that, I agree with all of it.Originally Posted by R13
this is all the past so it doesnt matter anyhow, but Biden did tell an eco freak that there would be NO new coal plants built in america while they were well would potentially be in office. he said to ship it overseas. this all has nothing to do with the point i was making though, which was......... do not come into an area where you know the backbone of the economy (sadly) is coal mining and tell the people that you are all about coal mining, when in reality you do not support it at all.
Cant we all just get along?
[img]http://www.lutte-wrestling.com/old-train2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.lutte-wrestling.com/old-train2.jpg[/img]
So I just can't keep it in anymore, those quotes I posted earlier were not from Senator/Presidential hopeful Barack Obama...they were from Senator/Presidential hopeful John McCain, from a stump speech in Nevada and his campaign website in 2008. What most people around here don't know is that McCain has been a big proponent of cap and trade legislation for years, before Obama was even in the Senate he was pushing for it. But people don't care enough to check the facts, they just assumed McCain was against it, when really he's a bigger supporter of it then Obama.
Are you sure you can say he is a bigger supporter? Seems like both are pretty much for it the same amount, and the ideas sure didn't benefit McCain any, but he didn't put his feet down in the area and proclaim to be for the coal producers, yet support legislation that can hinder our area.
"Call me crazy, but I want to buy the Dallas Cowboys end zone and have the star right at the foot of my bed. That way when I score, I can spike the ball right on the star!" -Woody Paige, Around the Horn 10.9.08
Yup, he's been proposing cap and trade legislation for 8 years, Obama never even really pushed it - he certainly mentioned it, but was never anything close to a big priority. And I don't remember that speech with him listing all of what he'd do for that industry at all, in the lebanon or bristol appearance, so I'm not getting the contradiction? That legislation gives these companies big incentives for reducing their emissions and allows them to sell their permits to other companies too, the caps would be lowered over decades, not next year or anything. That whole bill creates a lot of jobs anyway, the green jobs that will be here much longer than the coal will be. As someone who has a family full of miners and retired miners, we need to get away from it as much as possible, there's a reason this area is the way it is now...coal runs out, its never something to base your entire economy around and that's what we did.
And no, no chance at all of Clinton replacing Biden.
A very good example of how voters were trapped with a damned if you do, damned if you don't vote last year. I was glad Obama won. I still don't see what other alternative we were given. I am also very, very, very disappointed in his performance as president, and I'm certainly not alone in that view.
[img]http://www.lutte-wrestling.com/old-train2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.lutte-wrestling.com/old-train2.jpg[/img]
Exactly. I wasn't feeling great about any of our options in 2008. I hope their better in 2012, but I doubt it.
R13 do you expect Clinton to replace Biden on the ticket?
"Call me crazy, but I want to buy the Dallas Cowboys end zone and have the star right at the foot of my bed. That way when I score, I can spike the ball right on the star!" -Woody Paige, Around the Horn 10.9.08
Posting Permissions
Bookmarks